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		<title>By: SUNIL</title>
		<link>http://www.jocalling.com/2008/09/kcbc-talks-with-hindu-leaders/comment-page-1/#comment-24834</link>
		<dc:creator>SUNIL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dear jo

conversion for the sake of increased believer base to be condemned. Change of faith should happen only after understanding the new religion and having confidence on its uniqueness over others. Unfortunately most coversions happens according to convenience. 
To get married to the opposite religion, to get financial aid, to get rid of oppression due to caste etc are meaningless conversions. In all these cases, none are serious about learning the new religion seriously. Most of such people will repent on their deed before death(they may not disclose it) because they are not properly adapted to the new faith. Recent converts are not  much respected among any religion when it comes to the matter of marriage of their children. Oppression of caste is not ending even after conversion so we have avasa kristhyani in our society. 
So if anybody wants to convert let them do it after learning properly.
It is good for them not to repent secretly, later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dear jo</p>
<p>conversion for the sake of increased believer base to be condemned. Change of faith should happen only after understanding the new religion and having confidence on its uniqueness over others. Unfortunately most coversions happens according to convenience.<br />
To get married to the opposite religion, to get financial aid, to get rid of oppression due to caste etc are meaningless conversions. In all these cases, none are serious about learning the new religion seriously. Most of such people will repent on their deed before death(they may not disclose it) because they are not properly adapted to the new faith. Recent converts are not  much respected among any religion when it comes to the matter of marriage of their children. Oppression of caste is not ending even after conversion so we have avasa kristhyani in our society.<br />
So if anybody wants to convert let them do it after learning properly.<br />
It is good for them not to repent secretly, later.</p>
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		<title>By: 1conoclast</title>
		<link>http://www.jocalling.com/2008/09/kcbc-talks-with-hindu-leaders/comment-page-1/#comment-249</link>
		<dc:creator>1conoclast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 10:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>R.Sajan,

No offence intended, but you&#039;ve heard &lt;i&gt;laaton ke bhooth baaton se nahi maante&lt;/i&gt;, haven&#039;t you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>R.Sajan,</p>
<p>No offence intended, but you&#8217;ve heard <i>laaton ke bhooth baaton se nahi maante</i>, haven&#8217;t you?</p>
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		<title>By: R.Sajan</title>
		<link>http://www.jocalling.com/2008/09/kcbc-talks-with-hindu-leaders/comment-page-1/#comment-186</link>
		<dc:creator>R.Sajan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.&quot; How low does your IQ have to get -&quot;

2. &quot;..your utter stupidity-..&quot;

3. &quot;..open your mouth without knowing “facts”?&quot;

4. &quot;There were no Hindu terrorists in Akbar’s time&quot;

Thank you for your enlightening answers. For a moment, I thought I was back in nursery school. Excellent style of arguing that is good for any nursery school or less.. Bye , bye , Sir. Too old ro argue with those as young as Yourself.

I surrender and withdraw. May be if and when you are more mature....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.&#8221; How low does your IQ have to get -&#8221;</p>
<p>2. &#8220;..your utter stupidity-..&#8221;</p>
<p>3. &#8220;..open your mouth without knowing “facts”?&#8221;</p>
<p>4. &#8220;There were no Hindu terrorists in Akbar’s time&#8221;</p>
<p>Thank you for your enlightening answers. For a moment, I thought I was back in nursery school. Excellent style of arguing that is good for any nursery school or less.. Bye , bye , Sir. Too old ro argue with those as young as Yourself.</p>
<p>I surrender and withdraw. May be if and when you are more mature&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: 1conoclast</title>
		<link>http://www.jocalling.com/2008/09/kcbc-talks-with-hindu-leaders/comment-page-1/#comment-185</link>
		<dc:creator>1conoclast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 15:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>R.Sajan…

Phir bakwas...?

1. How low does your IQ have to get to deduce that I would want to live in KSA instead of in my country?

2. Already gave you an answer. This new question is representative of your utter stupidity. Ask me a proper question &amp; I&#039;ll give you an answer. If you ask me a stupid question, you&#039;ll get nothing. Instead of arguing uselessly, why can&#039;t you accept the facts presented? Do you have an agenda to malign Muslims?

3. I was in Bombay during the 1992 blasts &amp; during the Ghatkopar bus blast. My aunt was greviously injured in the 1992 blasts. She worked at the Air India building. Why do you open your mouth without knowing &quot;facts&quot;?

4. Give me a link.

5. Already explained this to you. You were talking about a Muslim dominated India... a very remote possibility. I gave you an example from the past of Muslim-ruled India being perfectly OK. There were no Hindu terrorists in Akbar&#039;s time. Maybe I should ask you why there are some Muslims who turn to terrorism in Hindu majority India today? Can you think about that please?

6. http://www.shaivam.org/siddhanta/toi_dubai.htm
Muscat in Oman too has 2 Hindu temples.
Please realize now that whatever you&#039;ve heard uptil now is an attempt by hindutva organizations &amp; the sangh to deliberately malign Muslims. Please wake up! How much proof will it take to convince you that Muslims inside &amp; outside India honour &amp; respect non-Muslims?

7. I don&#039;t know. I am not that obsessed with Islam or Islamic states yet. If I do become obsessed at some point, I will research it &amp; tell you. In the meantime, since you seem so obsessed, why don&#039;t you research it a little?

8. See 7. above.

9. See 2. above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>R.Sajan…</p>
<p>Phir bakwas&#8230;?</p>
<p>1. How low does your IQ have to get to deduce that I would want to live in KSA instead of in my country?</p>
<p>2. Already gave you an answer. This new question is representative of your utter stupidity. Ask me a proper question &amp; I&#8217;ll give you an answer. If you ask me a stupid question, you&#8217;ll get nothing. Instead of arguing uselessly, why can&#8217;t you accept the facts presented? Do you have an agenda to malign Muslims?</p>
<p>3. I was in Bombay during the 1992 blasts &amp; during the Ghatkopar bus blast. My aunt was greviously injured in the 1992 blasts. She worked at the Air India building. Why do you open your mouth without knowing &#8220;facts&#8221;?</p>
<p>4. Give me a link.</p>
<p>5. Already explained this to you. You were talking about a Muslim dominated India&#8230; a very remote possibility. I gave you an example from the past of Muslim-ruled India being perfectly OK. There were no Hindu terrorists in Akbar&#8217;s time. Maybe I should ask you why there are some Muslims who turn to terrorism in Hindu majority India today? Can you think about that please?</p>
<p>6. <a href="http://www.shaivam.org/siddhanta/toi_dubai.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.shaivam.org/siddhanta/toi_dubai.htm</a><br />
Muscat in Oman too has 2 Hindu temples.<br />
Please realize now that whatever you&#8217;ve heard uptil now is an attempt by hindutva organizations &amp; the sangh to deliberately malign Muslims. Please wake up! How much proof will it take to convince you that Muslims inside &amp; outside India honour &amp; respect non-Muslims?</p>
<p>7. I don&#8217;t know. I am not that obsessed with Islam or Islamic states yet. If I do become obsessed at some point, I will research it &amp; tell you. In the meantime, since you seem so obsessed, why don&#8217;t you research it a little?</p>
<p>8. See 7. above.</p>
<p>9. See 2. above.</p>
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		<title>By: R.Sajan</title>
		<link>http://www.jocalling.com/2008/09/kcbc-talks-with-hindu-leaders/comment-page-1/#comment-179</link>
		<dc:creator>R.Sajan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 08:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is only from enlightened people like you that dumb folks like me can ever hope to be educated. Thank you.

1. I take it that you would like to live in KSA rather than India because things are not as  good in India.

2. You have  logical reasoning to substantiate thar Akbar and not Bin Laden would rule Moslem India. Please enlighten me.

3. You are sure that the Bombs do not represent any Moslem. Perhaps, no bomb has been cracked in your area.

4. As for Wikipedia&#039;s being Propaganda by the independent Editors, please look at the Anti-Christian pages against India. Look at those pages&#039; History part.

5. &quot;Anyway, I would better trust the bombs that I see before me in the present; than an Akbar of the past.&quot;  Kindly give your specific comments about it. 

6. &quot;In the UAE, which is not an Islamic State, but has Islam as the official state religion, millions of people from all over the World come to seek employment, including Hindus from India (&amp; elsewhere?).&quot;  Please tell me if the people there have freedom of expression and religion, as we have in India.

7. &quot;Which are the Islamic countries that are democratic? Do they have the Sharia system?&quot;  

8. That I should research,  quote facts etc were  not answers to my questions. I am grateful for such valuable advice though. Kindly give specific answers, if your obvious superior knowledge and experience  would allow it.

9. Once you have given specific answers, instead of doling out laughable advice, we might perhaps, continue. One is always optimistic about the infallible omniscient. One hopes that some day, they too might grow up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is only from enlightened people like you that dumb folks like me can ever hope to be educated. Thank you.</p>
<p>1. I take it that you would like to live in KSA rather than India because things are not as  good in India.</p>
<p>2. You have  logical reasoning to substantiate thar Akbar and not Bin Laden would rule Moslem India. Please enlighten me.</p>
<p>3. You are sure that the Bombs do not represent any Moslem. Perhaps, no bomb has been cracked in your area.</p>
<p>4. As for Wikipedia&#8217;s being Propaganda by the independent Editors, please look at the Anti-Christian pages against India. Look at those pages&#8217; History part.</p>
<p>5. &#8220;Anyway, I would better trust the bombs that I see before me in the present; than an Akbar of the past.&#8221;  Kindly give your specific comments about it. </p>
<p>6. &#8220;In the UAE, which is not an Islamic State, but has Islam as the official state religion, millions of people from all over the World come to seek employment, including Hindus from India (&amp; elsewhere?).&#8221;  Please tell me if the people there have freedom of expression and religion, as we have in India.</p>
<p>7. &#8220;Which are the Islamic countries that are democratic? Do they have the Sharia system?&#8221;  </p>
<p>8. That I should research,  quote facts etc were  not answers to my questions. I am grateful for such valuable advice though. Kindly give specific answers, if your obvious superior knowledge and experience  would allow it.</p>
<p>9. Once you have given specific answers, instead of doling out laughable advice, we might perhaps, continue. One is always optimistic about the infallible omniscient. One hopes that some day, they too might grow up.</p>
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		<title>By: 1conoclast</title>
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		<dc:creator>1conoclast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>R.Sajan...

That is probably why I am so tired of explaining things to your &amp; your ilk on the Mutiny &amp; now here!!! :-)

I am glad to note that you suddenly do not have any answers. See, this is how you debate. You have to quote facts &amp; use logic. You comments have now degenerated into mere sarcasm and no substance. You have nothing to say &amp; no questions to ask suddenly.

Allow me one more lesson please: If History is written by victors, then why are all these points unanswered still...?
http://mutiny.in/2008/05/03/history-lies/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>R.Sajan&#8230;</p>
<p>That is probably why I am so tired of explaining things to your &amp; your ilk on the Mutiny &amp; now here!!! <img src='http://www.jocalling.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I am glad to note that you suddenly do not have any answers. See, this is how you debate. You have to quote facts &amp; use logic. You comments have now degenerated into mere sarcasm and no substance. You have nothing to say &amp; no questions to ask suddenly.</p>
<p>Allow me one more lesson please: If History is written by victors, then why are all these points unanswered still&#8230;?<br />
<a href="http://mutiny.in/2008/05/03/history-lies/" rel="nofollow">http://mutiny.in/2008/05/03/history-lies/</a></p>
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		<title>By: R.Sajan</title>
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		<dc:creator>R.Sajan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now, i come to what I should have asked right before starting the discussion; but there is no fool like an old fool.  How old are you, Sir?

Do not take it wrong, please. Pardon my age. I am aware that grown-ups never understand anything for themselves, and it is tiresome for children to be always and forever explaining things to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, i come to what I should have asked right before starting the discussion; but there is no fool like an old fool.  How old are you, Sir?</p>
<p>Do not take it wrong, please. Pardon my age. I am aware that grown-ups never understand anything for themselves, and it is tiresome for children to be always and forever explaining things to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Jo</title>
		<link>http://www.jocalling.com/2008/09/kcbc-talks-with-hindu-leaders/comment-page-1/#comment-114</link>
		<dc:creator>Jo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 06:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wikipedia is propaganda. So are the national and international media. Only what I think is the truth and I want everyone else to believe what I believe.

(I really did not know what people meant by calling Sagh Parivar and it&#039;s supporters &quot;fascists&quot;. Now I get it.)

PS: Mutiny did not delete any comments which were more uglier and stupid than &quot;Wikipedia is propoganda&quot;. Just a look at the comment section in the controversial posts would prove that to anybody.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wikipedia is propaganda. So are the national and international media. Only what I think is the truth and I want everyone else to believe what I believe.</p>
<p>(I really did not know what people meant by calling Sagh Parivar and it&#8217;s supporters &#8220;fascists&#8221;. Now I get it.)</p>
<p>PS: Mutiny did not delete any comments which were more uglier and stupid than &#8220;Wikipedia is propoganda&#8221;. Just a look at the comment section in the controversial posts would prove that to anybody.</p>
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		<title>By: R.Sajan</title>
		<link>http://www.jocalling.com/2008/09/kcbc-talks-with-hindu-leaders/comment-page-1/#comment-110</link>
		<dc:creator>R.Sajan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 18:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you all for the lessons. Dumb me did not yet get enligvhtened about how many Islamic, or Islam majority countries have democracy. Please bear with me and tell me.

I am happy that despite all these bombs, Akbar would come back. But history is written by the victors. I do not know if Akbar-history is godly truth; even Tippu and Hyder Ali are glorified as monuments of charity and tolerance on TV now! My area of the country had been brutal-converted by Tippu and Hyder. 

Anyway, I would better trust the bombs that I see before me in the present; than an Akbar of the past. 

I found that i was deleted away in that Mutiny site of yours. I suppose since you are all liberal and democratic, it would happen here also, if I try to discuss more?  What do you say?

I repeat my deleted-suggestion that I made in your Mutiny site. Wikipedia on India and most other matters is mosty propaganda. Better not trust it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you all for the lessons. Dumb me did not yet get enligvhtened about how many Islamic, or Islam majority countries have democracy. Please bear with me and tell me.</p>
<p>I am happy that despite all these bombs, Akbar would come back. But history is written by the victors. I do not know if Akbar-history is godly truth; even Tippu and Hyder Ali are glorified as monuments of charity and tolerance on TV now! My area of the country had been brutal-converted by Tippu and Hyder. </p>
<p>Anyway, I would better trust the bombs that I see before me in the present; than an Akbar of the past. </p>
<p>I found that i was deleted away in that Mutiny site of yours. I suppose since you are all liberal and democratic, it would happen here also, if I try to discuss more?  What do you say?</p>
<p>I repeat my deleted-suggestion that I made in your Mutiny site. Wikipedia on India and most other matters is mosty propaganda. Better not trust it.</p>
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		<title>By: 1conoclast</title>
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		<dc:creator>1conoclast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anytime Jo. Anything for a brother!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anytime Jo. Anything for a brother!</p>
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